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	<title>Comments on: Just Some Kid</title>
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	<description>(or The Apprenticeship to Many Masters)</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Walker</title>
		<link>http://apprentice.kfitz.me/2009/09/28/just-some-kid/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust me, it&#039;s not just you, and also not just those who are truly &quot;solo&quot;. I think nearly everyone I know who takes this profession seriously feels the same way. For those of us that think that way it&#039;s an odd paradox we&#039;re in because our employers may hold us in very high esteem as experts, when in fact that renkown means jack squat to us personally because we know the vast chasm of knowledge that exists between ourselves and those that *we* consider experts...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As stated in the post it&#039;s also difficult to figure out where to go from that situation. Once you&#039;re at a point where you&#039;re making good money, maybe have the house/wife/kids/dog, how do you go back to that square one? Assuming you can even find a place that values the craftsmanship mentality that is willing to take you on as an apprentice / journeyman it seems unreasonable to expect them to pay you at the same rate you are making at a company that already considers you an expert. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So maybe the only way once you&#039;re in that situation is to hang onto your day job and be the informal apprentice to those you respect. That&#039;s certainly the approach I&#039;ve been attempting, but that itself can be difficult given a full time employment + family commitments. Craftsmanship takes lots of blood, sweat, and tears, which is something I&#039;m certainly not against. Just wish I could get a little more of it done during my daytime hours!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think we as a profession really need to take a hard look at how our educational system is failing us in this regard... Maybe rather than classroom environments, a large part of formal education for software engineers should be apprenticeship. Best thing I did for myself in college was doing 1+ years of internship. Formalizing that process would take a large scale collaboration between craftsman shops and universities the likes of which I don&#039;t see happening anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me, it&#39;s not just you, and also not just those who are truly &#8220;solo&#8221;. I think nearly everyone I know who takes this profession seriously feels the same way. For those of us that think that way it&#39;s an odd paradox we&#39;re in because our employers may hold us in very high esteem as experts, when in fact that renkown means jack squat to us personally because we know the vast chasm of knowledge that exists between ourselves and those that *we* consider experts&#8230;</p>
<p>As stated in the post it&#39;s also difficult to figure out where to go from that situation. Once you&#39;re at a point where you&#39;re making good money, maybe have the house/wife/kids/dog, how do you go back to that square one? Assuming you can even find a place that values the craftsmanship mentality that is willing to take you on as an apprentice / journeyman it seems unreasonable to expect them to pay you at the same rate you are making at a company that already considers you an expert. </p>
<p>So maybe the only way once you&#39;re in that situation is to hang onto your day job and be the informal apprentice to those you respect. That&#39;s certainly the approach I&#39;ve been attempting, but that itself can be difficult given a full time employment + family commitments. Craftsmanship takes lots of blood, sweat, and tears, which is something I&#39;m certainly not against. Just wish I could get a little more of it done during my daytime hours!</p>
<p>I think we as a profession really need to take a hard look at how our educational system is failing us in this regard&#8230; Maybe rather than classroom environments, a large part of formal education for software engineers should be apprenticeship. Best thing I did for myself in college was doing 1+ years of internship. Formalizing that process would take a large scale collaboration between craftsman shops and universities the likes of which I don&#39;t see happening anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: joshkaufman</title>
		<link>http://apprentice.kfitz.me/2009/09/28/just-some-kid/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>joshkaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent first post, Kevin - looking forward to the rest of the series!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent first post, Kevin &#8211; looking forward to the rest of the series!</p>
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		<title>By: kfitzpatrick</title>
		<link>http://apprentice.kfitz.me/2009/09/28/just-some-kid/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>kfitzpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback, guys. Stick around for the rest of this series over the next 4 weeks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;@Mat S: I&#039;d love to see job descriptions say things more like &quot;professional craftsman&quot; rather than &quot;expert.&quot;  And I&#039;m definitely thinking of a post addressing the solo or masterless craftsman out there and how we can &quot;apprentice&quot; even within our current culture without going back to step one (highschool/college grad apprenticeship).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback, guys. Stick around for the rest of this series over the next 4 weeks.</p>
<p>@Mat S: I&#39;d love to see job descriptions say things more like &#8220;professional craftsman&#8221; rather than &#8220;expert.&#8221;  And I&#39;m definitely thinking of a post addressing the solo or masterless craftsman out there and how we can &#8220;apprentice&#8221; even within our current culture without going back to step one (highschool/college grad apprenticeship).</p>
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		<title>By: voxdolo</title>
		<link>http://apprentice.kfitz.me/2009/09/28/just-some-kid/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>voxdolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Kevin. Looking forward to the rest of the series!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Kevin. Looking forward to the rest of the series!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Turner</title>
		<link>http://apprentice.kfitz.me/2009/09/28/just-some-kid/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt Darby +1. Excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt Darby +1. Excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat Schaffer</title>
		<link>http://apprentice.kfitz.me/2009/09/28/just-some-kid/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat Schaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, man. This definitely flies in the face of every job description I&#039;ve never seen, but that&#039;s probably a good thing. I&#039;m looking forward to the next posts and hope to hear your thoughts on why &quot;solo&quot; or &quot;masterless&quot; is such a common case for developers and what it might take to get people thinking about software more like traditional crafts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, man. This definitely flies in the face of every job description I&#39;ve never seen, but that&#39;s probably a good thing. I&#39;m looking forward to the next posts and hope to hear your thoughts on why &#8220;solo&#8221; or &#8220;masterless&#8221; is such a common case for developers and what it might take to get people thinking about software more like traditional crafts.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Darby</title>
		<link>http://apprentice.kfitz.me/2009/09/28/just-some-kid/comment-page-1/#comment-2</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Darby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post. As a 30 year old lone developer (who&#039;s always worked solo), and is expected to have all the answers, it&#039;s nice to know that someone else is feeling the same way ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post. As a 30 year old lone developer (who&#39;s always worked solo), and is expected to have all the answers, it&#39;s nice to know that someone else is feeling the same way <img src='http://apprentice.kfitz.me/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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